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moosetestbestanden
September 19th, 2014, 06:03 AM
It's Sean I'm talking about. He's - or rather his car - is now 'Officially Published'.

In Road & Track (http://www.roadandtrack.com/features/pure-bloods)

And not a word about it from the owner. I had to find out about it on BC.

So, I'll be the 1st hereabouts to say Congrats Sean.

If they'd only chosen a fast car, instead of one that's so shiny...:-D

Edit: And kudos to Morgan, our resident Pro Photographer. Well done fellas!

Sean
September 19th, 2014, 09:31 AM
Chris - No word about it because there was never any guarantee the article would be published at all. The day this took place was actually a while back - months ago. I have yet to receive the October issue at my home from my subscription to R&T. Good to see the article is now online (was actually pointed out to me yesterday evening).

I think Morgan did a great job shooting all of the cars! He also pointed out to me that blue is the slowest color, which I found odd, as his Elan was blue.

mopho
September 19th, 2014, 09:45 AM
Elan was slow :P

We did this back in November.
I haven't seen the magazine yet


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Doug Liedblad
September 19th, 2014, 10:05 AM
So what is the fastest color?

mopho
September 19th, 2014, 10:05 AM
Who knows, you can't see it :icon_biggrin:


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GWise
September 19th, 2014, 11:35 AM
"My car is going to be in Road and Track! How freaking cool is that!?!?" - Sean

Congrats! I need to pick up a copy for myself.

Morgan - fantastic work. I love the sidewall flex in the feature photo.

magnusfeuer
September 19th, 2014, 03:20 PM
Awesome photos.

And the author, I hate to admit, is right about the high-speed lift and its consequences.

/Magnus F.

moosetestbestanden
September 20th, 2014, 10:21 AM
Awesome photos.

And the author, I hate to admit, is right about the high-speed lift and its consequences.

/Magnus F.

Simon Rogers (pretty sure it's he of Meteor Motorsports) commented on the page that w/ some setup work the handling could be improved.

Sean, have you done all the usual stuff - corner weights, camber, toe, bushings, etc.? And the unusual stuff, like shock dyno testing?

mopho
September 20th, 2014, 08:12 PM
Well I will let Sean comment about the set up on his car if he chooses but the fact that it was quite a bit faster than the Lotus, which was some pretty serious kit, says a lot.

It should also be noted that there really wasn't a lot of track time, we had to share the track with the Audi driving School and only got a few sessions in. On top of that Dyson spent most of the day setting up and problem solving the SP300 which sucked up a lot what little track time we had.
I don't think that anyone got the most out of the cars, but that is usually the case with these track comparisons, too much to do in too little time




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FerneyO
September 21st, 2014, 07:19 PM
Time to get a front wing?

rzempel
September 22nd, 2014, 07:50 AM
I've Benn told, by someone who does it, that removing the front cycle fenders solves the high speed handling problems. He says it "settles right down.".

Sean
September 22nd, 2014, 09:02 AM
Set-up was far from optimal. Magnus & Doug had helped balance the corners on the scales at one time, but other changes were made later that would have negated that.

No point in making excuses; 7s have inherent front end lift at speed. I was informed on Tuesday that my car would be needed on Thursday, so there was no time for any sort of prep anyway. It is what it is, as they say.

FerneyO
September 22nd, 2014, 02:19 PM
I've Benn told, by someone who does it, that removing the front cycle fenders solves the high speed handling problems. He says it "settles right down.".

Is it road legal to drive a 7 without the front wings?

toldfield
September 23rd, 2014, 02:33 PM
It looks like a pre 1971 car under 1500 pounds can do without fenders.

Fenders and Mudguards

27600. No person shall operate any motor vehicle having three or more wheels, any trailer, or semitrailer unless equipped with fenders, covers, or devices, including flaps or splash aprons, or unless the body of the vehicle or attachments thereto afford adequate protection to effectively minimize the spray or splash of water or mud to the rear of the vehicle and all such equipment or such body or attachments thereto shall be at least as wide as the tire tread. This section does not apply to those vehicles exempt from registration, trailers and semitrailers having an unladen weight of under 1,500 pounds, or any vehicles manufactured and first registered prior to January 1, 1971, having an unladen weight of under 1,500 pounds.

Amended Ch. 215, Stats. 1970. Effective November 23, 1970.

escondidoron
September 23rd, 2014, 10:35 PM
Possibly pre-'71 but definitely not less than 1500 lbs:
https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4087/5045219528_f7587fd7de_b.jpg

mopho
September 24th, 2014, 07:12 PM
Well I was going to post a pile of photos from the shoot but this POS website will only let me post one shot or it crashes on me

https://farm3.staticflickr.com/2943/15323390426_4156ca0a56_c.jpg (https://www.flickr.com/photos/27769790@N05/15323390426/)
Track_Car_001 (https://www.flickr.com/photos/27769790@N05/15323390426/) by MoPho (https://www.flickr.com/people/27769790@N05/), on Flickr

magnusfeuer
September 24th, 2014, 07:55 PM
I *want* the SP/300.R

[Checks wallet]
Nope.

/Magnus F.

moosetestbestanden
September 25th, 2014, 07:51 AM
I *want* the SP/300.R

[Checks wallet]
Nope.

/Magnus F.

Me too. Not sure I could process the speed but I'd sure like to find out!

Sean
September 25th, 2014, 08:25 AM
That's weird - I can post multiple photos (?). Apparently the maximum number of photos one is able to post is inversely proportional to their skill as a photographer, I guess.

Here you go, Magnus...

http://i321.photobucket.com/albums/nn384/BBL-Sean/Sonoma%20Raceway%202013/28_zps40c7e475.jpg

http://i321.photobucket.com/albums/nn384/BBL-Sean/Sonoma%20Raceway%202013/27_zps9217b9d9.jpg

http://i321.photobucket.com/albums/nn384/BBL-Sean/Sonoma%20Raceway%202013/26_zps83448d03.jpg

http://i321.photobucket.com/albums/nn384/BBL-Sean/Sonoma%20Raceway%202013/25_zps3fc90ec9.jpg

http://i321.photobucket.com/albums/nn384/BBL-Sean/Sonoma%20Raceway%202013/24_zpsa0d64c84.jpg

http://i321.photobucket.com/albums/nn384/BBL-Sean/Sonoma%20Raceway%202013/23_zpsd185d5ce.jpg

http://i321.photobucket.com/albums/nn384/BBL-Sean/Sonoma%20Raceway%202013/22_zps7ba0ec3c.jpg

http://i321.photobucket.com/albums/nn384/BBL-Sean/Sonoma%20Raceway%202013/29_zpsf9fd9edd.jpg

http://i321.photobucket.com/albums/nn384/BBL-Sean/Sonoma%20Raceway%202013/30_zpse157f91d.jpg

Wait - one more...
http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k589/dano910/Dyson%20Day/IMG_0024_zpsa8fe2a1f.jpg

FerneyO
September 26th, 2014, 10:43 AM
It looks like a pre 1971 car under 1500 pounds can do without fenders.

Fenders and Mudguards

27600. No person shall operate any motor vehicle having three or more wheels, any trailer, or semitrailer unless equipped with fenders, covers, or devices, including flaps or splash aprons, or unless the body of the vehicle or attachments thereto afford adequate protection to effectively minimize the spray or splash of water or mud to the rear of the vehicle and all such equipment or such body or attachments thereto shall be at least as wide as the tire tread. This section does not apply to those vehicles exempt from registration, trailers and semitrailers having an unladen weight of under 1,500 pounds, or any vehicles manufactured and first registered prior to January 1, 1971, having an unladen weight of under 1,500 pounds.

Amended Ch. 215, Stats. 1970. Effective November 23, 1970.

My 7 is registered as a 1965 through the SB100 process and it weighs less than 1500 pounds, so I guess I'm good on both counts.

Has anyone from CCC tried driving over 80 without the cycle wings. Does it trully settle down? And, does it also mean that the car fills up with gravel so much faster?

moosetestbestanden
September 26th, 2014, 11:06 AM
ISTR that Stokes did a track session w/out them once, on account of a, um, moment in a prior session. Didn't effect his lap time too much, but he used CSR wings on his S3 and Penskes. His car was dialed in, that's for sure.

I picked up the hardcopy yesterday. Mopho's pictured & quoted. Love the hair Morgan!

slomove
September 26th, 2014, 06:50 PM
Has anyone from CCC tried driving over 80 without the cycle wings. Does it trully settle down? And, does it also mean that the car fills up with gravel so much faster?

I have been driving front naked for a few months because my wing stays were broken and I did not bother to fix for a while.
a) nobody stopped and asked me about it, probably because some may mistake it as a strange hot rod and they all drive without. For that matter it is a genuine 1968 Birkin that means I don't need that crap anyway.
b) no idea if it may have settled it down because I did not go on a high speed track and I doubt you can see a difference below 100, maybe even higher.
c) removing the wings actually reduced the gravel intake, probably because the wheels can now sling the rocks in any direction, not just to the cockpit. However, having such a mister in front in the rain it may not be that great (have not tried that).

mopho
September 27th, 2014, 12:04 PM
I picked up the hardcopy yesterday. Mopho's pictured & quoted. Love the hair Morgan!

Yarr de hair hair......


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Sean
September 30th, 2014, 10:58 PM
Waited and waited for the 2013 October issue of R&T to arrive in the mailbox, but it never did arrive. So I found the "report missing/damaged issue" page at R&T's web pages (not really that easy to do!), and received the following reply, which I have trimmed down to the meat 'n' potatoes:

We're sorry; currently there is no inventory available for your selection. We will gladly extend your subscription to compensate for the missed issue. Your subscription will now expire with the May 10, 2016 issue. The updated expiration date will appear on the mailing label of your next available issue.
Wow, what are the odds on that? I e-mailed to inform them of my discontent. Good thing I picked up a copy at my local CVS, or I would be livid. Still not happy about it though, even if I do already have a copy.

mopho
October 1st, 2014, 07:57 AM
Seems you're mailman wanted the issue more than you.

It's pretty typical of a publisher to extend your subscription rather than send you a new one, easier for someone to make a couple of keyboard strokes than to mail a replacement


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moosetestbestanden
October 3rd, 2014, 10:00 AM
Waited and waited for the 2013 October issue of R&T to arrive in the mailbox, but it never did arrive. So I found the "report missing/damaged issue" page at R&T's web pages (not really that easy to do!), and received the following reply, which I have trimmed down to the meat 'n' potatoes:

Wow, what are the odds on that? I e-mailed to inform them of my discontent. Good thing I picked up a copy at my local CVS, or I would be livid. Still not happy about it though, even if I do already have a copy.

Gee, I wonder why print media is dying?

Michael Murphy
October 8th, 2014, 08:52 PM
Sean you can easily dial out a lot of the front understeer by adjusting the ARBS and making a home made front air dam out of a piece of aluminum. Hang it off the front chassis cross-member under the nose. My car used to understeer horribly and now it’s pretty good. You can make the car oversteer in high speed corners by over-adjusting the ARBs – which would be stupid, don’t do it, I’m just saying that understeer is NOT an incurable problem with Sevens.
Just be sure the air dam is home made and cheap as it’s the first thing to go when you have an off (I’m on my third one and I don’t drive that much).

Doug Liedblad
October 8th, 2014, 10:41 PM
Just be sure the air dam is home made and cheap as it’s the first thing to go when you have an off (I’m on my third one and I don’t drive that much).


'Go Fast, stay on the track, don't hit anything.' You would still be on your first one if you listened to your driving coach.

GWise
October 9th, 2014, 07:23 AM
Another benefit of Michael Murphy's suggestion is that it helps create a low pressure area behind the radiator to aid in cooling.

Michael Murphy
October 9th, 2014, 09:35 AM
BTW nice article. Thanks to Road& Track I now know about the"steampunk" movement.